Predator04

ive been on tbn but mostly in irc helping everyone there. to bad post count doesn't count for irc or it would be extreme lol. but what i don't get is how someone can become supermod within a month or two. isn't almost EVERYONE super active when they first join? or am i wrong? how long did it take me to become mod? then how long did it take for me to become supermod? what has changed since then? the only thing ive seen is some scammers or people come in for awhile and quit or get demoded. if anything you would think it would be harder to get smod then easier don't you think?

well he got mod then took what over $2000 from members? that's pretty damn crazy if you ask me. just seems we would take longer in choosing mods/smods ( i was SUPER active just like michelle but didnt get smod for months after i became mod Not a Member.) or if you feel mods should get a free sub why not do that? there should be min of posts/months active on tbn. ANYONE can stay active for 1-2months easy

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Ed

"The path of no destination, gives incentive to quit."

Basically, you need to give mods more destinations where they actually could reek in some rewards for their hard work. Now that there smods, they have no where else to advance. I just feel the frustration from the "ex-associates" because when theres no reward, theres no point of trying.

No drama intended.

Doormaster

congrats for the new moderator and also for the super moderator, michelle!

ADR

I think drama was intended.

There is room to grow from S-Mod, although its not easy. I was a member, and applied for a mod. Then, promoted to Super Mod, and then Admin. You have to put in the work.

The reward should not be the shiny label button, but the self satisfaction of what you get out of doing a good job here by helping the site, and other members.

If someone doesn't enjoy it here, and just wants "rewards for their hard work", they should not be a staff member. Its a website forum, not a full time paying job. No one here gets paid (except Curt). You can make your own profit from bots on this site, or donations, both which require an active site, active staff, and active members. If you are looking to be paid for your time, I would suggest applying at your local McDonald's.

You guys that say Michelle and Byebye got promoted too fast, or that Krip isnt active enough apparently don't know them very well. I understand it seems fast to promote those 2 to S-Mod seems fairly fast, but if you saw their activity logs that Curt and I see, you would understand.

These decisions arent taken lightly. It's discussed for a few days off and on, not just a split second decision. It sometimes causes arguments because Curt and I don't always agree on the choices.

New moderator choices are always a crapshoot. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. We just have to see who is helpful, and mature, and active, and give them a shot.

They both deserve their promotions. It sucks that these guys (and girls) worked hard to get promoted and the thread becomes a bitch session, instead of a thread to recognize their efforts.

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pvt mat

I would like to congratulate these members on their promotions, though I do not necessarily agree with them.
Now, I even though my opinion may not matter very much, I believe that my opinion should be should be considered. Michelle becoming a SMod is something that we could all predict, and was going to happen in due time, so I have no complaints there. But I do disagree on the choice of a new moderator. A moderator should be someone who is constantly active, is helpful, and keeps the forum free of spam and such. Now, not to say that I don’t like Krip (he made an amazing logoJ) but I strongly disagree with his promotion to moderator. Though his posts are mature, and lengthy, he is not active at all on the forums (0.72 posts per day), and does not have a large impression of the community, due to his post count. Those these are simple statistics, this small amount of posts do not give the community a chance to know this person, and form an opinion of him/her. Again, not that my opinion matters much, but I believe that TechOutsider has contributed more to the community, is liked amongst the community, is very helpful, and is very active as well. My opinions are formulated off of these facts, so please feel free to disagree, or justify your decision as to the selection of this new moderator.
Thank you for your time,
Pvt mat

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Colin

Krip is actually HELPFUL, being super active and posting random stuff about freebies doesnt earn you mod, you must be helpful.

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ADR

Everyone's opinions matter, and you should always feel free to post your thoughts and suggestions anytime.

You are correct, krip has very low postcount and doesn't say a whole lot in irc. Curt and I spoke to Krip about his post count and becoming more active on the forums before he was given mod. Krip agreed to, and time will tell.

Postcount cant be the sole reason for modship. Its not that black and white. Postcount does not = great mod. His posts are helpful, he always acts in a mature manner, and has helped this site in his short time as a member.
Take a guy like FM1. huge postcount, 24/7 activity but would he be a good mod? No. He was extremely active and stood out because he was immature.

Maturity is becoming a large factor in our decision making, more than postcounts. We want mature people that will stick around.
Michelle was the same way, she was pretty new when modded, and known mostly only to the IRC members, but I have to say she was a good pick. We have had a string of mods that have been very immature towards TBN and their members. We think that more mature mods will benefit all of us, and in general, the more mature, the less they will play around, post meaningless babble and get people mad at them. We tend to remember those immature people more because they are annoying in irc and postcount whores.

We could be wrong about Krip, as we have been wrong about others in the past. If its the wrong choice, we will know in a few weeks, as it will become very clear on its own, but we can give him a chance right? It wont hurt to see how he does.

As far as techoutsider, I did look up his posts and he seems like he would be a fine choice, so I will try to get to know him better, and if (when) we add another Moderator I will certainly consider him, and anyone else thats interested, although I won't open up applications again, that was a mess.

I hope that long answer helps,
I am not defending Krip, but more defending the process of picking mods.

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pvt mat

Thank you for the clarification, and as to Krip, sorry for any offense that that post may have caused. Good luck, and I do honestly think you will be a great mod.

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marian4you

congratz Krip and big congratz for ByeBye and Michelle for being promoted to supermoderator

Glica

A bit late, but congrats well-deserved.

Andy

congratulations guys. IMO you guys deserved it most. as for Predator04's problem, i think he should just be kept as an operator on IRC, since thats where he's most active. Keep up the good work

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meowx3

im kinda glad for my immaturity cause it keeps me from being up in the ranks and it also prevents me from making MASSIVE stupid mistakes. Even tho im on like 24/7, I barely talk, just like bump my thread and read everything else. Which would make me a bad mod and what not.

but CONGRATS to Krip, ByeBye, and Michelle on your new ranks :3

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Predator04

see she joined the site on the 11th of December and was a mod by jan 8th that's a total of what 28 days of being on the forums? 99% of the time you cant judge someone within that time frame. how does one say he is legit or she is legit? that's the part im not getting. then from jan 8th to jan 30th a total of 22days later shes smod. how does that all add up? so in feb im expecting her to hold the title of admin or owner of tbn. and im not saying shes not doing good ive seen logs. its just doesnt add up for me. maybe im missing something but there are others that have been mod for awhile and still haven't gotten smod why? or the smods why dont they have admin? im just saying it doesnt add up for me. or alot of people for that matter..

Dont take anything the wrong way im just saying

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Ed

I agree with predator, and no ADR, when I say no drama intended I mean it, now you just put it in there but I dont care. Predator04 is right, I still think join date with good activity is better than "just joined" with extreme activity. A battle doesnt make a soldier a veteran, finishing the war does.

Curt

She isn't some random person that just joined here. I've known her from another community and invited her here. We wouldn't mod people we don't trust. Also, there won't be any more admins, SMOD is the highest position. There are others that's been wanting to be mod for a while, and we've thought about modding them but their soaring activity rate doesn't make the cut.

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Marcellus

In this thread, saying "No offense" doesnt really matter does it ?...

Anyways, you may have to think of it like this:
Michelle has been EXTREMELY helpful + EXTREMELY Active on both the IRC and TheBotNet.com within those 28 days. Now if you think that that is the sole reason why she shouldnt have been chosen, there is some problems with that opinion, all decisions made by Curt / ADR / Grapplinghook are whatever they want to be. And there is no right in trying to justify that they should or should not be Moderator / whatever the decision was.

I honestly don't see any problem if Michelle has only been on 28 days, for all you know, maybe you had only shown 1 week of Moderator Material, which could have made you moderator. No one should complain about this matter, if she got promoted, Good for her [ ], She has been really helpful, and if you just look around, she has been doing what shes supposed to do.

I feel like ADR with my long posts now :[... And half of this doesnt make sense, but really, who cares? Just drop it pl0x. The decision has been made. If it seems unfair Predator, does it really matter? Ask yourself that.

Q_Q. 10 min. post.

No flaming pl0x.

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Predator04

lol curt has said she was from somewhere else which makes more sense then your post. Do you know how ez it would be to stay active in 28 days? or 2months? you have any idea just how ez it would be to stay active? that means as long as you stay active in the forums and irc you can be mod and smod in 2months time. pretty low on security arnt we? but as curt stated she was from somewhere else which makes alot more sense. Maybe you just don't get it. and we just had a mod take a ton of money from alot of people. maybe you forgot that already? if you start trusting people so soon your only gunna get screwed. trust me ive gotten screwed.

so pretty much what your saying is.. if you want to get everyone anyones money or whatever all you need to do is become extremely active and get promoted and boom Profit. im assuming this is why you dont run your own forum?

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Michelle

Okay I'm closing this;

This thread was suppose to be a place congratulate the promotions and new mod. Yet I've been seeing hardly any of that and more ranting and arguing. No point in continuing from here.

Now it's just getting old and out of hand. If you wish to continue then move this conversation to the general/offtopic section.

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